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Hello,

 

We’re looking at applying ultraviolet and infrared filtering films on our Legacy’s canopy.  Not looking to darken it since the canopy has some tinting
in it already -- though, looking to filter as much UV and IR as possible.  There are several products from 3M, Llumar, and others with these properties used on cars and glass windows every day.

 

Has anyone one applied any window tinting or other films to their acrylic windows?  How did it work out or not?

 

Kim at Lancair is checking with their acrylic window vendor to see what UV and IR filtering properties their acrylic windows already have. 

 

Thanks,

 

Valin Thorn

Legacy Project

Colorado


 

BTW, Paul and Marv, this is an example of a question that applies to all Lancair aircraft types.  We could use a category on Lancairtalk.net for these
kinds of general topics, questions. 

 

 

 

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I don't know if this helps, but I ordered and received glasses that get darker when going out into the sun.  I figured they would be great to fly with, however, when I did fly with them, they would not get dark.  The same thing happened when I was driving around in my car.  Since the coating is activated vis UV radiation, I have to conclude that UV has a hard time traversing through transparent materials such as is used in our canopies.



I think just the canopy itself is filtering a lot of UV already.



As for IR, are you trying to just keep it cooler inside?  



Kevin



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Hello,



We’re looking at applying ultraviolet and infrared filtering films on our Legacy’s canopy.  Not looking to darken it since the canopy has some tinting in it already -- though, looking to filter as much UV and IR as possible.  There are several products from 3M, Llumar, and others with these properties used on cars and glass windows every day.



Has anyone one applied any window tinting or other films to their acrylic windows?  How did it work out or not?



Kim at Lancair is checking with their acrylic window vendor to see what UV and IR filtering properties their acrylic windows already have.



Thanks,



Valin Thorn

Legacy Project

Colorado





BTW, Paul and Marv, this is an example of a question that applies to all Lancair aircraft types.  We could use a category on Lancairtalk.net for these kinds of general topics, questions.

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Valin,

 

Why do you want to do this?  Not a criticism, just a question.

 

What I have found to be extremely valuable is a canopy shade that allows me to control the amount sun that comes in.

 

D. Brunner

 

 

 

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Subject: [LML] UV & IR Filtering Film on Acrylic Windows

 

Hello,

 

We’re looking at applying ultraviolet and infrared filtering films on our Legacy’s canopy.  Not looking to darken it since the canopy has some tinting in it already -- though, looking to filter as much UV and IR as possible.  There are several products from 3M, Llumar, and others with these properties used on cars and glass windows every day.

 

Has anyone one applied any window tinting or other films to their acrylic windows?  How did it work out or not?

 

Kim at Lancair is checking with their acrylic window vendor to see what UV and IR filtering properties their acrylic windows already have. 

 

Thanks,

 

Valin Thorn

Legacy Project

Colorado

 

BTW, Paul and Marv, this is an example of a question that applies to all Lancair aircraft types.  We could use a category on Lancairtalk.net for these kinds of general topics, questions. 

 

 

 

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I am not so sure about plastics filtering out UV, since at I have gotten pretty well sun burned sitting in a Legacy. 

Dan Ballin

N386DM



On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Kevin Stallard <kevin [at] arilabs.net

> wrote:

I don't know if this helps, but I ordered and received glasses that get darker when going out into the sun.  I figured they would be great to fly with, however, when I did fly with them, they would not get dark.  The same thing happened when I was driving around in my car.  Since the coating is activated vis UV radiation, I have to conclude that UV has a hard time traversing through transparent materials such as is used in our canopies.



I think just the canopy itself is filtering a lot of UV already.



As for IR, are you trying to just keep it cooler inside?



Kevin



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Hello,



We’re looking at applying ultraviolet and infrared filtering films on our Legacy’s canopy.  Not looking to darken it since the canopy has some tinting in it already -- though, looking to filter as much UV and IR as possible.  There are several products from 3M, Llumar, and others with these properties used on cars and glass windows every day.



Has anyone one applied any window tinting or other films to their acrylic windows?  How did it work out or not?



Kim at Lancair is checking with their acrylic window vendor to see what UV and IR filtering properties their acrylic windows already have.



Thanks,



Valin Thorn

Legacy Project

Colorado





BTW, Paul and Marv, this is an example of a question that applies to all Lancair aircraft types.  We could use a category on Lancairtalk.net for these kinds of general topics, questions.






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To each, his own, but I elected to go with the sun shade also

Berni Breen
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On Oct 8, 2014, at 6:23 AM, Douglas Brunner <douglasbrunner [at] earthlink.net

> wrote:

Valin,

 

Why do you want to do this?  Not a criticism, just a question.

 

What I have found to be extremely valuable is a canopy shade that allows me to control the amount sun that comes in.

 

D. Brunner

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:47 PM
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Subject: [LML] UV & IR Filtering Film on Acrylic Windows

 

Hello,

 

We’re looking at applying ultraviolet and infrared filtering films on our Legacy’s canopy.  Not looking to darken it since the canopy has some tinting in it already -- though, looking to filter as much UV and IR as possible.  There are several products from 3M, Llumar, and others with these properties used on cars and glass windows every day.

 

Has anyone one applied any window tinting or other films to their acrylic windows?  How did it work out or not?

 

Kim at Lancair is checking with their acrylic window vendor to see what UV and IR filtering properties their acrylic windows already have. 

 

Thanks,

 

Valin Thorn

Legacy Project

Colorado

 

BTW, Paul and Marv, this is an example of a question that applies to all Lancair aircraft types.  We could use a category on Lancairtalk.net for these kinds of general topics, questions. 

 

 

 

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That is an excellent point, I just noticed that my UV triggered glasses coating wasn't being triggered when inside the canopy.  Not exactly sure what it means, but I drew a conclusion from it none-the-less :)



Kevin



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Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:23 AM

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I am not so sure about plastics filtering out UV, since at I have gotten pretty well sun burned sitting in a Legacy.



Dan Ballin

N386DM



On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Kevin Stallard <kevin [at] arilabs.net<kevin [at] arilabs.net (mailto:)

>> wrote:

I don't know if this helps, but I ordered and received glasses that get darker when going out into the sun.  I figured they would be great to fly with, however, when I did fly with them, they would not get dark.  The same thing happened when I was driving around in my car.  Since the coating is activated vis UV radiation, I have to conclude that UV has a hard time traversing through transparent materials such as is used in our canopies.



I think just the canopy itself is filtering a lot of UV already.



As for IR, are you trying to just keep it cooler inside?



Kevin



________________________________________

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>] On Behalf Of Thorn, Valin B. (JSC-VA411) [valin.b.thorn [at] nasa.gov<valin.b.thorn [at] nasa.gov (mailto:)

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Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 2:47 PM

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Subject: [LML] UV & IR Filtering Film on Acrylic Windows



Hello,



We’re looking at applying ultraviolet and infrared filtering films on our Legacy’s canopy.  Not looking to darken it since the canopy has some tinting in it already -- though, looking to filter as much UV and IR as possible.  There are several products from 3M, Llumar, and others with these properties used on cars and glass windows every day.



Has anyone one applied any window tinting or other films to their acrylic windows?  How did it work out or not?



Kim at Lancair is checking with their acrylic window vendor to see what UV and IR filtering properties their acrylic windows already have.



Thanks,



Valin Thorn

Legacy Project

Colorado





BTW, Paul and Marv, this is an example of a question that applies to all Lancair aircraft types.  We could use a category on Lancairtalk.net for these kinds of general topics, questions.







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Valin,

 

Some 13-14 years ago I heard about a new, expensive gold film that could be applied to aircraft windows to cut down on internal heat.  The only place that I could find to get it installed was at Van Nuys, CA so I flew out from OH to have it done.  It cost me about $1700, as I remember.  The first thing I noticed was that it seemed to reduce the interior heat by ten degrees or so.  Noticeable, anyway, to  my wife and me.  The second noticeable effect was that my vision through it was improved in hazy conditions.  That was/is easy to discern because, not quite trusting the product to have it installed directly in my line of vision (the runway environment) I had it cut in a wide arc in front of me, leaving a 6-8 inch band above and to the sides of the windshield,  and that lets me compare viz through it or not.

 

It has been very durable but, of course, I’m careful with it.  I would install it again.  If you are interested in it let me know and I’ll research my records for you.

 

Carl La Rue

2200 hours on LIV-P N299KT

.

 

 

 

 

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Subject: [LML] Re: UV & IR Filtering Film on Acrylic Windows

 

Valin,

 

Why do you want to do this?  Not a criticism, just a question.

 

What I have found to be extremely valuable is a canopy shade that allows me to control the amount sun that comes in.

 

D. Brunner

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:47 PM
To: Lancair Mailing List
Subject: [LML] UV & IR Filtering Film on Acrylic Windows

 

Hello,

 

We’re looking at applying ultraviolet and infrared filtering films on our Legacy’s canopy.  Not looking to darken it since the canopy has some tinting in it already -- though, looking to filter as much UV and IR as possible.  There are several products from 3M, Llumar, and others with these properties used on cars and glass windows every day.

 

Has anyone one applied any window tinting or other films to their acrylic windows?  How did it work out or not?

 

Kim at Lancair is checking with their acrylic window vendor to see what UV and IR filtering properties their acrylic windows already have. 

 

Thanks,

 

Valin Thorn

Legacy Project

Colorado

 

BTW, Paul and Marv, this is an example of a question that applies to all Lancair aircraft types.  We could use a category on Lancairtalk.net for these kinds of general topics, questions. 

 

 

 

 


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Hi Doug,

 

Of course, the UV protection is for passenger skin and to protect the materials from rapid break down.  I’d rather not have to put sun screen on to go
flying.   The IR is to limit the greenhouse heating effect.  The canopy shades seem a little clunky to me – but, haven’t ruled them out if this doesn’t work…

 

I haven’t heard back from Kim yet on what filtering properties the acrylic has.

 

Thanks,

 

Valin

 

 

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [lml [at] lancaironline.net]">mailto:lml [at] lancaironline.net]
On Behalf Of Douglas Brunner

Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:24 AM

To: Lancair Mailing List

Subject: [LML] Re: UV & IR Filtering Film on Acrylic Windows

 

Valin,

 

Why do you want to do this?  Not a criticism, just a question.

 

What I have found to be extremely valuable is a canopy shade that allows me to control the amount sun that comes in.

 

D. Brunner

 

 

 

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]
On Behalf Of Thorn, Valin B. (JSC-VA411)

Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:47 PM

To: Lancair Mailing List

Subject: [LML] UV & IR Filtering Film on Acrylic Windows

 

Hello,

 

We’re looking at applying ultraviolet and infrared filtering films on our Legacy’s canopy.  Not looking to darken it since the canopy has some tinting
in it already -- though, looking to filter as much UV and IR as possible.  There are several products from 3M, Llumar, and others with these properties used on cars and glass windows every day.

 

Has anyone one applied any window tinting or other films to their acrylic windows?  How did it work out or not?

 

Kim at Lancair is checking with their acrylic window vendor to see what UV and IR filtering properties their acrylic windows already have. 

 

Thanks,

 

Valin Thorn

Legacy Project

Colorado

 

BTW, Paul and Marv, this is an example of a question that applies to all Lancair aircraft types.  We could use a category on Lancairtalk.net for these
kinds of general topics, questions. 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks Carl, yes, I’d sure appreciate learning more about what material was used in yours, any special application techniques on acrylic, and who did
the work.

 

Thanks again,

 

Valin

 

 

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On Behalf Of Carl La Rue

Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 5:11 AM

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Subject: [LML] Re: UV & IR Filtering Film on Acrylic Windows

 

Valin,

 

Some 13-14 years ago I heard about a new, expensive gold film that could be applied to aircraft windows to cut down on internal heat.  The only place that I could find to get it installed was at Van Nuys, CA
so I flew out from OH to have it done.  It cost me about $1700, as I remember.  The first thing I noticed was that it seemed to reduce the interior heat by ten degrees or so.  Noticeable, anyway, to  my wife and me.  The second noticeable effect was that my
vision through it was improved in hazy conditions.  That was/is easy to discern because, not quite trusting the product to have it installed directly in my line of vision (the runway environment) I had it cut in a wide arc in front of me, leaving a 6-8 inch
band above and to the sides of the windshield,  and that lets me compare viz through it or not.

 

It has been very durable but, of course, I’m careful with it.  I would install it again.  If you are interested in it let me know and I’ll research my records for you.

 

Carl La Rue

2200 hours on LIV-P N299KT

.

 

 

 

 

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On Behalf Of Douglas Brunner

Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:24 AM

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Subject: [LML] Re: UV & IR Filtering Film on Acrylic Windows

 

Valin,

 

Why do you want to do this?  Not a criticism, just a question.

 

What I have found to be extremely valuable is a canopy shade that allows me to control the amount sun that comes in.

 

D. Brunner

 

 

 

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]
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Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:47 PM

To: Lancair Mailing List

Subject: [LML] UV & IR Filtering Film on Acrylic Windows

 

Hello,

 

We’re looking at applying ultraviolet and infrared filtering films on our Legacy’s canopy.  Not looking to darken it since the canopy has some tinting
in it already -- though, looking to filter as much UV and IR as possible.  There are several products from 3M, Llumar, and others with these properties used on cars and glass windows every day.

 

Has anyone one applied any window tinting or other films to their acrylic windows?  How did it work out or not?

 

Kim at Lancair is checking with their acrylic window vendor to see what UV and IR filtering properties their acrylic windows already have. 

 

Thanks,

 

Valin Thorn

Legacy Project

Colorado

 

BTW, Paul and Marv, this is an example of a question that applies to all Lancair aircraft types.  We could use a category on Lancairtalk.net for these
kinds of general topics, questions. 

 

 

 

 

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According to Wikipedia, sunburns are caused by UV radiation in between the UVA and UVB bands.  You can get burned under UVA, but it much harder to do so than under the effects of UVB.  UVB is responsible for creating Vitamin D, but can also damage DNA ( I was wondering where that third arm was coming from, I wonder if the FAA has a medical exemption for it )



UVA is UV radiation in wavelengths between 400 or 315 nm (not absorbed by the atmosphere), UVB is between 315 and 280 nm (mostly absorbed by the atmosphere).   They have a nice graph that seems to show most of the skin burning wavelengths between 300 and 325-330 nm.



Also according to Wikipedia, Poly(methyl methacrylate) (or PMMA, aka acrylic and plexiglas) absorb UV wavelengths at around 300-315 nm, which happens to be the same was window glass.  Some manufacturers add things to it to do UV absorption from 400 nm.



Window glass (and PMMA) absorbs most of, if not all UVB.  It absorbs about 75% of UVA, mostly near the 315 nm area if I understand this correctly.  These additives appear to grab the rest above 315 nm.



So, it appears you can indeed get tan or some burning of the skin under glass, but it is very reduced compared to being out in the open.  But it also explains why my glasses wouldn't darken while in the airplane.



Kevin

 



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Hi Doug,



Of course, the UV protection is for passenger skin and to protect the materials from rapid break down.  I’d rather not have to put sun screen on to go flying.   The IR is to limit the greenhouse heating effect.  The canopy shades seem a little clunky to me – but, haven’t ruled them out if this doesn’t work…



I haven’t heard back from Kim yet on what filtering properties the acrylic has.



Thanks,



Valin







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] On Behalf Of Douglas Brunner

Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:24 AM

To: Lancair Mailing List

Subject: [LML] Re: UV & IR Filtering Film on Acrylic Windows



Valin,



Why do you want to do this?  Not a criticism, just a question.



What I have found to be extremely valuable is a canopy shade that allows me to control the amount sun that comes in.



D. Brunner







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] On Behalf Of Thorn, Valin B. (JSC-VA411)

Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:47 PM

To: Lancair Mailing List

Subject: [LML] UV & IR Filtering Film on Acrylic Windows



Hello,



We’re looking at applying ultraviolet and infrared filtering films on our Legacy’s canopy.  Not looking to darken it since the canopy has some tinting in it already -- though, looking to filter as much UV and IR as possible.  There are several products from 3M, Llumar, and others with these properties used on cars and glass windows every day.



Has anyone one applied any window tinting or other films to their acrylic windows?  How did it work out or not?



Kim at Lancair is checking with their acrylic window vendor to see what UV and IR filtering properties their acrylic windows already have.



Thanks,



Valin Thorn

Legacy Project

Colorado



BTW, Paul and Marv, this is an example of a question that applies to all Lancair aircraft types.  We could use a category on Lancairtalk.net for these kinds of general topics, questions.









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