Potential Problem-Engine Vibration

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From: Robert R Pastusek <rpastusek [at] htii.com>
Subject: Potential Problem-Engine Vibration
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 03:54:21 +0000
To: Lancair Mailing List <lml [at] lancaironline.net>
Gentlemen,

 

This is an alert for a potentially serious problem with the Continental IO/TSIO-550 engine/Hartzell 78” Scimitar propeller combination commonly used on Lancair aircraft. Please appreciate that this is from a very small data sample, and analysis is on-going, but it’s important enough to share what we now know. 

 

Lancair (N619SJ) owner Bob Rickard called last week to advise that he’d discovered a major crack in his crankshaft at the propeller flange and wanted to alert other owners flying the above engine/prop combination of his problem. 

 

Bob has been chasing a random vibration in his airframe since he bought the aircraft three years/approximately 500 hours ago. The “standard suspects” of prop balance/run-out, engine mount/isolators, engine contact with the cowling, etc. had been systematically ruled out over time. In frustration, and unwilling to just ignore it, Bob ordered a new MT 4-blade to replace the Hartzell, remaining very uncomfortable with the vibration and unable to think of any other possible fixes. Part of Bob’s discomfort was based on the fact that he’d talked extensively to Ed Smith who had similar vibration issues with the same engine/propeller combination. (Ed’s N9JE experienced an in-flight crankshaft failure/departure of the prop in 2010; Ed successfully dead-sticked the airplane onto a beach.)

 

Bob’s recent discovery of the cracked crankshaft was made when the Hartzell was removed for replacement with a new MT prop. At the time of removal/discovery, the engine had just more than 100 flight hours since major overhaul. The crankshaft had been checked for cracks at overhaul, and the actual eddy current test results were still available showing no cracks or irregularities at that time. Bob believes that the crack developed within the last 100 flight hours as a result of long-term exposure to harmonic vibration, and that this vibration could be a result of an incompatibility between his big-bore Continental and this specific Hartzell prop. He notes that although this is an “FAA approved” engine/propeller combination, he has talked to other airplane owners flying this combination who have/are experiencing similar vibration issues. 

 

We understand that Continental and the FAA have been notified of this problem, but we have no additional information at this time. LOBO expects to publish a more detailed report on this in the next monthly newsletter, but both Ed Smith and Bob Rickard felt this discovery was worth making immediate notification about. Specifically, any unusual or new engine vibration should be cause for immediate attention. Bob considers himself very lucky to have caught the crack before in-flight failure. 

 

We’ll devote a few minutes to share what we know/answer questions at our LOBO Safety Forum to be held at 1300 in Forum Pavilion 2, Monday, 29 August, at AirVenture. Bob Rickard won’t be available to discuss this at our safety forum, but you can email him at r.rickard [at] rcginc-us.com. LOBO would also appreciate an email or call (rpastusek [at] htii.com 757-286-4802) if you are experiencing similar problems.

 

Thanks,

Bob Pastusek

For LOBO

Potential Problem-Engine Vibration

From: Charles Brown <browncc1 [at] verizon.net>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Potential Problem-Engine Vibration
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 06:05:29 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>
Good info Paul.  I am a little chagrined to find that, after loading "Vibration" on my iPhone and going out to collect data, things were a bunch smoother than I recalled.  The only thing I changed was new spark plugs.  But I think it's clear that the vibration in my Legacy/IO550 is much less than what I hear Bob and Steve describe.

Kyrilian, would you care to examine vibration data from a test ride?  I have about 8 files of 15sec X 100Hz data taken with the iPhone secured to the instrument panel and I don't know what to make of it.

Charley


On Jul 29, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Paul Miller wrote:



One thing to keep in mind is that the prop balancing on the ground is not as accurate as when the scimitar is loaded in flight. This comes directly from one of the SX300 guys testing one of the Scimitars for Hartzell on his Lyc 580.   What he did was run the cables through the heat duct and perform the balance in flight conditions.  He reported that balancing the scimitars was not easy.  I had a hard time finding a good balance on the ground on the Legacy but it was passable.  I may try the in-flight balance next time at the 2300 rpm mark.  Our Legacy scimitars are simply cut shorter than the longer bladed scimitars for ground clearance.

Second, the engine and cowl moves a lot and the clearances are very tight in the Legacy.  At 2700 RPM and low airspeed the cowl is different shape than at cruise and the engine is in a different position relative to the mounts that at 2300.  The torque on the engine mounts is much different at 2300 versus 2700.  I found a lot of interference showed up as the RPM came down from 2700 to 2300 and then the engine and cowling were slightly separated so that the banging was transmitted.  I believe at other settings the engine was up against parts of the cowl and the actual vibration was transmitted.  I had the nose gear interference as well plus the baffling hit the prop governor cable in cruise.  Lots of areas where interference fits are really tight.  My point is that there are many factors that can affect vibration with changing throttle and RPM and it isn't just the prop/crankshaft combo that can be at issue.  I was seeing almost two inches of cowl movement between rest and flight at certain locations.   Thats a lot.

Not to take anything away from the issue under discussion except to say that, in my Legacy, vibration amplitude did change with varying RPM as a result of mechanical interference.

Paul
Legacy



Potential Problem-Engine Vibration

From: John Smith <john [at] jjts.net.au>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Potential Problem-Engine Vibration
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 20:33:56 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>
I zoomed in on two hi res pics taken with same camera as part of a Legacy formation photo shoot – check out the spinners - VH–XTZ (slight port wing tip vibration), and VH-ZYA (no vibration). You'll see that the XTZ's spinner tip appears to be moving laterally; whereas that of ZYA indicates nil lateral movement. In both cases, you can see the front of the cowling adjacent the spinners – theses do not appear to be moving.

This does not of course indicate what's causing the vibration… but nevertheless, it may trigger some ideas or thoughts? Any views?

As it happens, I have a spare spinner / backplate assy. I guess an easy thing to do is to change just the spinner, and then go flying with iPhone vibration app, and see if I can detect any visual changes (wing tip movement) or whether the vibration amplitude/frequency signature changes from prior.  If no change, may be I'll change the back plate over….   

Colyn – the data base you are collecting…  Would it be worth asking everyone to advise what engine mount isolators they are using?  For what its worth I am using the stock standard Lancair supply isolators.

BTW – the pics I tried to post of my vibration amplitude / frequency plots captured on an iPhone didn't come up on my post. Trying to find out why… 



Regards,



John



John N G Smith

Tel / fax:    +61-8-9385-8891

Mobile:      +61-409-372-975

Email:         john [at] jjts.net.au



From: Charles Brown <browncc1 [at] verizon.net

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Date: Tuesday, 30 July 2013 6:05 PM
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Subject: [LML] Re: Potential Problem-Engine Vibration

Good info Paul.  I am a little chagrined to find that, after loading "Vibration" on my iPhone and going out to collect data, things were a bunch smoother than I recalled.  The only thing I changed was new spark plugs.  But I think it's clear that the vibration in my Legacy/IO550 is much less than what I hear Bob and Steve describe.

Kyrilian, would you care to examine vibration data from a test ride?  I have about 8 files of 15sec X 100Hz data taken with the iPhone secured to the instrument panel and I don't know what to make of it.

Charley


On Jul 29, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Paul Miller wrote:



One thing to keep in mind is that the prop balancing on the ground is not as accurate as when the scimitar is loaded in flight. This comes directly from one of the SX300 guys testing one of the Scimitars for Hartzell on his Lyc 580.   What he did was run the cables through the heat duct and perform the balance in flight conditions.  He reported that balancing the scimitars was not easy.  I had a hard time finding a good balance on the ground on the Legacy but it was passable.  I may try the in-flight balance next time at the 2300 rpm mark.  Our Legacy scimitars are simply cut shorter than the longer bladed scimitars for ground clearance.

Second, the engine and cowl moves a lot and the clearances are very tight in the Legacy.  At 2700 RPM and low airspeed the cowl is different shape than at cruise and the engine is in a different position relative to the mounts that at 2300.  The torque on the engine mounts is much different at 2300 versus 2700.  I found a lot of interference showed up as the RPM came down from 2700 to 2300 and then the engine and cowling were slightly separated so that the banging was transmitted.  I believe at other settings the engine was up against parts of the cowl and the actual vibration was transmitted.  I had the nose gear interference as well plus the baffling hit the prop governor cable in cruise.  Lots of areas where interference fits are really tight.  My point is that there are many factors that can affect vibration with changing throttle and RPM and it isn't just the prop/crankshaft combo that can be at issue.  I was seeing almost two inches of cowl movement between rest and flight at certain locations.   Thats a lot.

Not to take anything away from the issue under discussion except to say that, in my Legacy, vibration amplitude did change with varying RPM as a result of mechanical interference.

Paul
Legacy


Potential Problem-Engine Vibration

From: Kyrilian Dyer <kyrilian_av [at] yahoo.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Potential Problem-Engine Vibration
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:29:35 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>
Charley,
I'd be happy to review. Just email me the csv files and I'll see what I can make of them.
- Kyrilian

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 30, 2013, at 6:05 AM, Charles Brown <browncc1 [at] verizon.net

> wrote:

Good info Paul.  I am a little chagrined to find that, after loading "Vibration" on my iPhone and going out to collect data, things were a bunch smoother than I recalled.  The only thing I changed was new spark plugs.  But I think it's clear that the vibration in my Legacy/IO550 is much less than what I hear Bob and Steve describe.

Kyrilian, would you care to examine vibration data from a test ride?  I have about 8 files of 15sec X 100Hz data taken with the iPhone secured to the instrument panel and I don't know what to make of it.

Charley


On Jul 29, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Paul Miller wrote:



One thing to keep in mind is that the prop balancing on the ground is not as accurate as when the scimitar is loaded in flight. This comes directly from one of the SX300 guys testing one of the Scimitars for Hartzell on his Lyc 580.   What he did was run the cables through the heat duct and perform the balance in flight conditions.  He reported that balancing the scimitars was not easy.  I had a hard time finding a good balance on the ground on the Legacy but it was passable.  I may try the in-flight balance next time at the 2300 rpm mark.  Our Legacy scimitars are simply cut shorter than the longer bladed scimitars for ground clearance.

Second, the engine and cowl moves a lot and the clearances are very tight in the Legacy.  At 2700 RPM and low airspeed the cowl is different shape than at cruise and the engine is in a different position relative to the mounts that at 2300.  The torque on the engine mounts is much different at 2300 versus 2700.  I found a lot of interference showed up as the RPM came down from 2700 to 2300 and then the engine and cowling were slightly separated so that the banging was transmitted.  I believe at other settings the engine was up against parts of the cowl and the actual vibration was transmitted.  I had the nose gear interference as well plus the baffling hit the prop governor cable in cruise.  Lots of areas where interference fits are really tight.  My point is that there are many factors that can affect vibration with changing throttle and RPM and it isn't just the prop/crankshaft combo that can be at issue.  I was seeing almost two inches of cowl movement between rest and flight at certain locations.   Thats a lot.

Not to take anything away from the issue under discussion except to say that, in my Legacy, vibration amplitude did change with varying RPM as a result of mechanical interference.

Paul
Legacy


Potential Problem-Engine Vibration

From: Paul Miller <pjdmiller [at] gmail.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Potential Problem-Engine Vibration
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 09:47:24 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

I spoke to some of the sx300 folks last night at Oshkosh and nobody who has converted to the hartzell scimitar (full length legacy prop) is experiencing vibration issues.  Those are lycoming 540 and 580s.  I know at least four have converted, maybe more by now.

Potential Problem-Engine Vibration

From: <Sky2high [at] aol.com>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Potential Problem-Engine Vibration
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:10:53 -0400 (EDT)
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

For any composite constructed Lancair engine/prop related vibration
analysis, the vibration sufferer should have performed two specific checks early
on:
 
1. Proper torque of the engine-mount to firewall bolts (tension can change
over time because of composite characteristics).
 
2, Proper torque of the engine to engine-mount bolts.
 
These torque checks should be done remembering that there must
not be more than three threads showing beyond the nut. perchance the nut is
torqued onto the shoulder of the bolt instead of the device it is holding. 
See the engine-mount bolt example below:
 
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Scott Krueger
 
In a message dated 8/1/2013 8:47:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
pjdmiller [at] gmail.com writes:

I spoke
to some of the sx300 folks last night at Oshkosh and nobody who has converted
to the hartzell scimitar (full length legacy prop) is experiencing vibration
issues.  Those are lycoming 540 and 580s.  I know at least four have
converted, maybe more by now.
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From: Steve Colwell <mcmess1919 [at] yahoo.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Potential Problem-Engine Vibration
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:38:26 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

I forgot to mention, Allen Barrett told me Bob Rickard’s crankshaft has been quarantined by the Feds.  There’s more to know about his crack.

 

Steve Colwell

 

Potential Problem-Engine Vibration

From: Steve Colwell <mcmess1919 [at] yahoo.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Potential Problem-Engine Vibration
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:38:26 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

 

Oshkosh/Vibration, or what I learned on my summer vacation:

 

First, all 550 Continental crankshaft separations and cracks have been traced to prop strikes or likely prop strikes.  We are back on flight status with 15SC.   

 

Les Doud (Applications Engineer) of Hartzell, spoke at Jeff Edwards Forum and spent 30+ minutes with me later discussing our Vibrations.  The most interesting point was the weight of a metal 3 blade prop causes it to act as a gyroscope.  The engine and all moving parts can create a harmonic more easily as a result.  Lighter weight composite props have much less gyro effect and therefore are inherently smoother.  Our stiff composite airframes are more susceptible than an aluminum one with “every rivet acting as a damper”.  I previously thought the main reason was composite blades had less resonance than metal.

 

After all the obvious sources have been checked and fixed, the best diagnosis tool is a in flight Spectrum Analysis and Plot with the top of the line DynaVibe (tool cost $3000+).  At least that is what the DynaVibe rep. said in a forum and Les agreed.  Mount the sensor tightly on something solid like a spar cap, horizontal and parallel to the spar (not on anything like the panel dust cover).  Determining increased first, second or third order vibrations narrows down the source.  Les thought in my case of unpredictable vibration, the free iPhone ap “Vibration” could be accurate enough to find the major shake. 

 

Les advised checking prop orientation for parallel alignment of one of the blades with #6 cylinder at Top Dead Center on compression.  This is best for smoothness.

 

Paul Snyder, an Engineer with Lord Mounts, thinks he may be able to help.  He cited the Mooney Ovation with a vibration problem that was improved by a single stiffer mount on the left front.  Early Cirrus with 550’s and 3 blade Hartzell’s vibrated, later versions have 6 mounts with 4 near the front to better balance the static weight of the prop and engine.  He may have suggestions when he knows the part number of the brown (silicone) mounts supplied to me by Lancair.

 

Oshkosh is a excellent resource for all things aviation.  You can button hole the engineer/designer/owner and get a lot closer to answers.  I was impressed with their willingness to help us and the lack of defensiveness on their part.  

 

Oh yeah, the weather, just about perfect, in the 70’s most of the time.  The LOBO/Lancair Banquet was great with a full house, Alberto’s Mars Curiosity talk was amazing and the new location at Best Western Waterfront Hotel is a big improvement in banquet room and food/service quality.  You shoudda been there!

 

Steve Colwell  aka “Claudette’s husband”

 

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From: Paul Miller <pjdmiller [at] gmail.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Potential Problem-Engine Vibration
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 18:36:03 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

This is a tool maybe lobo could buy and send to owners for a fee. I have a prop balancing kit I do that with.



Paul



On 2013-08-04, at 15:38, "Steve Colwell" <mcmess1919 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:



> Spectrum Analysis and Plot with the top of the line DynaVibe (tool cost $3000+).

Potential Problem-Engine Vibration

From: Paul Miller <pjdmiller [at] gmail.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Potential Problem-Engine Vibration
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 18:36:03 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

Overshare.



On 2013-08-04, at 15:38, "Steve Colwell" <mcmess1919 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:



> There’s more to know about his crack

Potential Problem-Engine Vibration

From: Colyn Case <colyncase [at] earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Potential Problem-Engine Vibration
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 08:43:59 -0400
To: Lancair Mailing List <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

Steve,   thanks for this post.


Can you elaborate on the prop alignment relative to #6 TDC?  Does that mean you want one prop blade vertical when #6 is at TDC?    ....and why would that matter?

thanks,

Colyn

On Aug 4, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Steve Colwell wrote:



 

Oshkosh/Vibration, or what I learned on my summer vacation:

 

First, all 550 Continental crankshaft separations and cracks have been traced to prop strikes or likely prop strikes.  We are back on flight status with 15SC.   

 

Les Doud (Applications Engineer) of Hartzell, spoke at Jeff Edwards Forum and spent 30+ minutes with me later discussing our Vibrations.  The most interesting point was the weight of a metal 3 blade prop causes it to act as a gyroscope.  The engine and all moving parts can create a harmonic more easily as a result.  Lighter weight composite props have much less gyro effect and therefore are inherently smoother.  Our stiff composite airframes are more susceptible than an aluminum one with “every rivet acting as a damper”.  I previously thought the main reason was composite blades had less resonance than metal.

 

After all the obvious sources have been checked and fixed, the best diagnosis tool is a in flight Spectrum Analysis and Plot with the top of the line DynaVibe (tool cost $3000+).  At least that is what the DynaVibe rep. said in a forum and Les agreed.  Mount the sensor tightly on something solid like a spar cap, horizontal and parallel to the spar (not on anything like the panel dust cover).  Determining increased first, second or third order vibrations narrows down the source.  Les thought in my case of unpredictable vibration, the free iPhone ap “Vibration” could be accurate enough to find the major shake. 

 

Les advised checking prop orientation for parallel alignment of one of the blades with #6 cylinder at Top Dead Center on compression.  This is best for smoothness.

 

Paul Snyder, an Engineer with Lord Mounts, thinks he may be able to help.  He cited the Mooney Ovation with a vibration problem that was improved by a single stiffer mount on the left front.  Early Cirrus with 550’s and 3 blade Hartzell’s vibrated, later versions have 6 mounts with 4 near the front to better balance the static weight of the prop and engine.  He may have suggestions when he knows the part number of the brown (silicone) mounts supplied to me by Lancair.

 

Oshkosh is a excellent resource for all things aviation.  You can button hole the engineer/designer/owner and get a lot closer to answers.  I was impressed with their willingness to help us and the lack of defensiveness on their part.  

 

Oh yeah, the weather, just about perfect, in the 70’s most of the time.  The LOBO/Lancair Banquet was great with a full house, Alberto’s Mars Curiosity talk was amazing and the new location at Best Western Waterfront Hotel is a big improvement in banquet room and food/service quality.  You shoudda been there!

 

Steve Colwell  aka “Claudette’s husband”

 


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From: <marv [at] lancair.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Potential Problem-Engine Vibration
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 14:19:19 -0400
To: <lml>

Posted for "Steve Colwell"
<mcmess1919 [at] yahoo.com>:

> "Les advised checking prop orientation for parallel alignment of one of the
> blades with #6 cylinder
at Top Dead Center on compression. This is best for
> smoothness."
>
>
>
> To clarify this:  If one of the
blades can be positioned horizontally and
> directly in front of #6 cylinder at Top Dead Center on compression, it has
> the lowest
potential for vibration.  This is Hartzell's engineering opinion.
> No doubt, confirmed by testing.   Why #6 and not one of
the others?  I did
> not press him because I wanted as much advice as time allowed.
>
>
>
> I'll try
anything that might help at this point.
>
>
>
> Steve Colwell
>
>
>


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From: Steve Colwell <mcmess1919 [at] yahoo.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Potential Problem-Engine Vibration
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 15:44:05 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

I need to qualify the statement below, I have no data to support it.  Do not consider it to be a fact without supporting evidence.

 

“First, all 550 Continental crankshaft separations and cracks have been traced to prop strikes or likely prop strikes.”

 

Steve Colwell

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From: Gary Casey <casey.gary [at] yahoo.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: Potential Problem-Engine Vibration
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 11:42:57 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>
Thanks, "Caudett's husband" for the informative post.  I have some comments on his findings, in [brackets below].  No answers, so just skip reading it if you like :-)
Gary Casey


Oshkosh/Vibration, or what I learned on my summer vacation:

First, all 550 Continental crankshaft separations and cracks have been
traced to prop strikes or likely prop strikes.  We are back on flight status
with 15SC.  [Were the crankshafts inspected after the strikes?  If so, the inspection method might be suspect.]

Les Doud (Applications Engineer) of Hartzell, spoke at Jeff Edwards Forum
and spent 30+ minutes with me later discussing our Vibrations.  The most
interesting point was the weight of a metal 3 blade prop causes it to act as
a gyroscope. [Of course.  All props have more inertia than the engine itself, I think even the
composite ones]  The engine and all moving parts can create a
harmonic more
easily as a result.[A "harmonic" is a vibration double or half in frequency as the base vibration.  A harmonic of what?  The torsional excitation frequency?  An engine vibration frequency?  Just saying "a harmonic" doesn't say anything.]  Lighter weight composite props have much less gyro
effect and therefore are inherently smoother.[Well, I don't know if they are "inherently" smoother.  They tend to exhibit resonant frequencies higher than heavier aluminum props, but is that good or bad?  I don't know.]  Our stiff composite airframes [Composite materials are somewhat LESS stiff than metal structures - carbon-based structures being stiffer than ons based on glass fibers.  That's why composite airframes are typcially on the heavy side - to get the stiffness high enough.  On my ES I can see the wings flex and I was never able to do that on any metal airplane.]
are more susceptible
than an aluminum one with "every rivet acting as a
damper".[I'm not sure I buy that.  Sure, every joint in a metal plane is a source of damping, but then every fiber-to-epoxy joint in a composite is a source of damping.  I don't know whether metal or composite planes absorb vibrations better, but I think composite planes have the edge here]   I previously thought the main reason was composite blades had less
resonance than metal. [Everything has a "resonance", it's just a matter of the frequency and the damping inherent in the structure.  Aluminum blades, being a homogenous structure, certainly have less damping that composite.  They will probably have a higher resonant frequency.  But then there is the question of the mode of vibration, but that's another discussion.]  

After all the obvious sources have been checked and fixed, the best
diagnosis tool is a in flight Spectrum Analysis and Plot
with the top of the
line DynaVibe (tool cost $3000+).  At least that is what the DynaVibe rep.
said in a forum and Les agreed.  Mount the sensor tightly on something solid
like a spar cap, horizontal and parallel to the spar (not on anything like
the panel dust cover). [I certainly agree with that.]  Determining increased first, second or third order
vibrations(crank rotation speed, twice crank speed, firing frequency] narrows down the source.  Les thought in my case of unpredictable
vibration, the free iPhone ap "Vibration" could be accurate enough to find
the major shake.  [That almost makes me want to go out and buy an iPhone!  I think maybe I will]

Les advised checking prop orientation for parallel alignment of one of the
blades with #6 cylinder at Top Dead Center on compression.  This is best for
smoothness. [I fail to see a connection between the prop orientation and
vibration, not that there couldn't be.  In the case of a 4-cylinder engine and
2-blade prop I can see it.]

Paul Snyder, an Engineer with Lord Mounts, thinks he may be able to help.
He cited the Mooney Ovation with a vibration problem that was improved by a
single stiffer mount on the left front (probably airframe-specific].  Early Cirrus with 550's and 3 blade
Hartzell's vibrated, later versions have 6 mounts with 4 near the front to
better balance the static weight of the prop and engine[Yes, in a Continental with metal prop the CG is very close to the front mount, so it has to support all the engine weight].  He may have
suggestions when he knows the part number of the brown (silicone) mounts
supplied to me by Lancair.

Oshkosh is a excellent resource for all things aviation[ain't that the truth!].  You can button
hole the engineer/designer/owner and get a lot closer to answers.  I was
impressed with their willingness to help us and the lack of defensiveness on
their
part.  

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