Adding an external GPS will only make the signal "stronger".
To get your position on approach plates you need to subscribe to a service that provides "geo-referenced plates for the iPad. The only one I know of is WingX who uses plates from Seattle Avionics. Their service is a little pricey as they charge $98 a year for their service, plus another $99 for the Seattle Avionics plates. The reason for georefferenced charts is that they are different scales, unlike a sectional. So, each plate needs at least two points with a firm lat - long position. I have both fore flight and wingx, I keep hoping fore flight will get geo-reffed plates, the rumor is that they are working on it.
Wingx works fine, but I think fore flight is better for planning, and they have moving map sectionals, low and high altitude IFR charts.
My 3G IPad works great with both Foreflight and WingX. Your position on an approach plate is great for situational awareness, you still need to watch the needles to shoot the approach.
Bob Mitchell
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 4, 2010, at 6:59 AM, billhogarty <billhogarty [at] hughes.net> wrote:
> Does anyone know if adding an external GPS (bad elf) to a 3G IPAD would give you
> a moving map position on an approach chart? Thanks
You will note that it says "The Bad Elf GPS provides location data to any and all apps that use Apples iOS Core Location framework.". That is a VERY good thing because the nav apps that are using GPS services do not have to do anything special to use this 3rd party GPS. This is also why this GPS does not require the iOS device to be jailbroken. So that tends to strongly suggest that if you are using a nav app that has moving map functionality with GPS, it will do so with either the built in GPS if it is present, or it will use the external GPS. Now, I have not tried using any iOS devices with 2 GPS options on-line at the same time. So I do not know if iOS gives the user a way to select which GPS will be used. You will notice that they list a lot of specific apps, and they are grouped by category. One of the categories is Aviation.
Also, if you go to the FAQ page, you will notice some questions with interesting answers given our interests.
"Is the Bad Elf GPS Receiver better than the iPad/iPhone internal GPS?"
"Does it work at the high altitudes and high speeds of aviation use?"
"What do I need to use my iPad or iPod touch for car/marine/aviation navigation?"
An additional point, the App you would be using would need to have the map data locally in the iPads local storage. Since you won't have Internet service over 3G.
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:59 AM, billhogarty <billhogarty [at] hughes.net> wrote:
Does anyone know if adding an external GPS (bad elf) to a 3G IPAD would give you
a moving map position on an approach chart? Thanks
Douglas Brunner <douglasbrunner [at] earthlink.net>
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So, like many on the LML, I am thinking of purchasing an iPad with “accessories” and wanted to get some advice.
·Which iPad should I get?
I am thinking of the “WiFi model” with either 32 or 64 GB. I intend to hook a separate GPS up to the iPad, so the presence or absence of GPS in the iPad itself is not an issue. I figure getting more memory can’t hurt, although don’t know if it is necessary. Thoughts?
·What software is best?
Primarily, I want the iPad for approach plates and VFR and Low Altitude IFR charts. Being able to geo reference to the plates or charts is a plus - but not necessary. I also intend to use the iPad as a book/magazine/newspaper reader.
Here is a list of the various software systems that I have come up with, comments and additions to the list are welcome.
FlightPrep's iChart™ App
Foreflight
PDF Plates
Sky Charts
AeroCharts
Jeppesen Mobile TC
Flight Guide iEFB
·Which GPS is best?
Would like to have one that communicates via Bluetooth or WiFi rather than one that needs to be attached directly to the iPad (like the Bad Elf) or needs a cord.
·Any thoughts on mounting?
I have a “RAM Mount” in my Legacy, which is mounted to the canopy of the left side of the cockpit. I use it to hold my paper checklist and previously used it to hold a Sony PRS-505. It is smaller than the iPad.
There is a product that combines the iPad with a kneeboard and writing surface:
Foreflight is $75 per year (about 12 gallons of 100ll).
Is it worth waiting for "something" from Control Vision?
I'm not connected with Foreflight any any way other than as a happy customer. As I look at all the other expenses related to flying, $75/year for a subscription to Foreflight absolutely does not move the needle. Neither,, for that matter, does the cost of an iPad or two (in case you drop one!).
It isn't an end all be all application, but I consider anything that gives me a bit more situational awareness well worth $75.
On Sep 28, 2011, at 4:49 AM, Earl Schroeder wrote:
> From: Danny Miller <danny.miller [at] verizon.net>
Danny wrote:
> Be sure to report your findings back to the LML.
At Oshkosh I visited the WingX booth and stood listening to a couple of 'demos'
by the 'programmer'. He was convinced WingX could walk on water...
I couldn't decide if he was selling ipad 'twos' or aviation software. He said
to get an ipad 'two' over and over. Don't get a 'one' he said. He promised
many 'improvements' were coming. I've been to more than thirty Oshkosh sales
pitches in a row (years) so the pitch sounded very familiar. I left wondering
why a 'two' was so much better than a 'one'??? And nearly forgot the aviation
part.. Perhaps, it is because I've been in the computer world for 50+ years.
That said, I've following this conversation closely and also interested in the
'findings'.
I'm a current user of AnyWhereMap with a lifetime subscription.. waiting for
Control Vision to offer something for the ipad. ;)
On my ipad2 I have G3 service and really like it. It makes the ipad useful 99% of locations versus hotspots only. I use it everywhere there isn't wi-fi: on the ramp, in the Legacy and in the car getting directions and email. It is terrific and quite inexpensive and I've not run out of data using the ATT 250MB option for $15 which is a month-to-month plan. Also, I have used the ipad in flight without the BadElf with excellent results because of the internal GPS device capability. In Canada, I simply swap out the sim card with a Bell sim for use at home.
On 2011-10-21, at 1:53 PM, Terrence O'Neill wrote:
1 - I'm thinking an IPad 2 (or 3) wi-fi only, and Bad Elf. Is anybody doing this? Kind of complex to decide, as things are changing fast.
Hah! Gary, a multitude of thanks for your efforts to comb straight the curley-cues of C129a and C146a regulations regarding all the details and nuances of safe GPS approaches.
So, in the FAQs at the hiltonsoftware site for WingX ($100)in an iPad2 ($500) , it says the Seattle Avionics is the only company to have the "...FAA certify their approach chart geo-referencing data for AeroNav (NACO) charts ($75).
It also says those charts enable WingX to display the aircraft's position on the approach charts" using a SkyRadar ($1000) WAAS enabled ADS-B receiver.
After reading the 14 pages of GPS in small type in my AIM, I'm awash in qualifications and caveats.
So what else would be needed if the loaded iPad and the SkyRadar receiver were mounted to the panel? An FAA guy with a rubber 'certified' stamp?
I think I'm missing something....
Maybe I could just return to the ADF equipment and approaches of old, which we used in the Navy in tghe early '50s before Omni was invented. Is AFD more accurate and safe than a hand-held GPS?
: )
Terrence
On Oct 25, 2011, at 6:50 AM, Gary Fitzgerald wrote:
c
> Terrence,
>
> Ah - once again, my less-than-adequate explanation has caused confusion. To
> clarify:
>
> In order to legally fly IFR GPS approaches, your equipment needs to meet
> TSO-C129a Class A1 for non-precision approaches, or TSO C-146a Class 3 for
> use as primary navigation on LPV approaches (which are only available if you
> have WAAS). C129a references RAIM directly, and C146a references several
> other documents, and I'm betting one of them has a RAIM reference. The last
> time I checked (which admittedly was several months ago), no handheld GPS or
> tablet/laptop/smart phone/PDA based GPS and software combination was
> certified to either C129a or 146a, and the only GPS receivers that were
> certified to these standards were panel-mount receivers, among them the ones
> that I mentioned. C129a has a bunch of stuff about integrity alarms,
> notifications, and annunciations, and C146a has a section on software
> qualification, so I'm guessing that situation hasn't changed.
>
> As I understand it (and I could be wrong here), RAIM applies to both WAAS
> and non-WAAS approaches. If a combination of satellite geometry and
> satellite/ground station outages can't guarantee a certain accuracy, a WAAS
> LPV approach will get downgraded to an LNAV (reduced-precision) approach.
>
> You now know everything I know about TSOs, GPS receivers, and IFR
> approaches. Hopefully this clarifies my previous reply. If not, we may need
> Brent to bring his sock puppets and educate both of us.
>
> I was at Branson also, and I was hoping the GAMI talk would have covered
> more engine operation, but I must say I learned more about combining benzene
> rings and carbon atoms to make either solvent or gasoline than any time
> since high-school chemistry, and was informative as to the economics of a
> 100LL replacement. May give me a project to work on when I finally finish
> this plane.
>
> That restaurant at Smartt Field changes ownership on pretty much a yearly
> basis, which is a shame since they usually had some decent food. Since the
> local EAA chapter moved their meetings from Sunday afternoon to Saturday
> morning, my attendance has, uh, sorta fallen off, so I don't get to the
> restaurant as much as I have in the past, but I can't remember that
> restaurant going more that 3 years under the same ownership.
Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight. I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot App but just can't see it in flight.
Putting a glare reducing shield works fairly well.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty <billhogarty [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight. I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot App but just can't see it in flight.
Do you have it mounted vertically. I find that's the only way for me to see. Works great that way
Ralph
On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty <billhogarty [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight. I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot App but just can't see it in flight.
Thanks for the suggestions. I have the IPad brightness on full or are you suggesting that I turn the auto adjust feature on, in addition?
The Garmin Pilot app does have a brightness control which auto sets to full . I surmise that it is primarily for night use.
Any recommendations for a glare screen?
Thanks, Bill H.
On May 15, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Colyn Case <colyncase [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
> is it not bright enough or are you getting glare?
>
> I think there is a plastic overlay with a matt finish that might help with the glare.
> I assume you have the brightness all the way up and if garmin has a brightness control you have that all the way up also?
>
> On May 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight. I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot App but just can't see it in flight.
I have a case-mate but haven't tried it yet. I think I got it at the ATT phone store.
Most apple dealers carry a variety of anti-glare covers.
On May 16, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:
Colyn, Ron,
Thanks for the suggestions. I have the IPad brightness on full or are you suggesting that I turn the auto adjust feature on, in addition?
The Garmin Pilot app does have a brightness control which auto sets to full . I surmise that it is primarily for night use.
Any recommendations for a glare screen?
Thanks, Bill H.
On May 15, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Colyn Case <colyncase [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
is it not bright enough or are you getting glare?
I think there is a plastic overlay with a matt finish that might help with the glare.
I assume you have the brightness all the way up and if garmin has a brightness control you have that all the way up also?
On May 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight. I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot App but just can't see it in flight.
I have a case-mate but haven't tried it yet. I think I got it at the ATT phone store.
Most apple dealers carry a variety of anti-glare covers.
On May 16, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:
Colyn, Ron,
Thanks for the suggestions. I have the IPad brightness on full or are you suggesting that I turn the auto adjust feature on, in addition?
The Garmin Pilot app does have a brightness control which auto sets to full . I surmise that it is primarily for night use.
Any recommendations for a glare screen?
Thanks, Bill H.
On May 15, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Colyn Case <colyncase [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
is it not bright enough or are you getting glare?
I think there is a plastic overlay with a matt finish that might help with the glare.
I assume you have the brightness all the way up and if garmin has a brightness control you have that all the way up also?
On May 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight. I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot App but just can't see it in flight.
Ralph, what mount are you using, in what plane? Also, specifically, where is the mount in the plane?
Thanks, Bill H
On May 16, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ralph Love <ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org> wrote:
> Do you have it mounted vertically. I find that's the only way for me to see. Works great that way
> Ralph
>
> On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty <billhogarty [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight. I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot App but just can't see it in flight.
I have a case-mate but haven't tried it yet. I think I got it at the ATT phone store.
Most apple dealers carry a variety of anti-glare covers.
On May 16, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:
Colyn, Ron,
Thanks for the suggestions. I have the IPad brightness on full or are you suggesting that I turn the auto adjust feature on, in addition?
The Garmin Pilot app does have a brightness control which auto sets to full . I surmise that it is primarily for night use.
Any recommendations for a glare screen?
Thanks, Bill H.
On May 15, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Colyn Case <colyncase [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
is it not bright enough or are you getting glare?
I think there is a plastic overlay with a matt finish that might help with the glare.
I assume you have the brightness all the way up and if garmin has a brightness control you have that all the way up also?
On May 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight. I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot App but just can't see it in flight.
I found one on buy.com very cheap and works great. Makes the screen a "matte" finish. Makes for watching movies on a airliner better too when there is a lot of sunshine getting into the cabin.
Ron
Colyn, Ron,
Thanks for the suggestions. I have the IPad brightness on full or are you suggesting that I turn the auto adjust feature on, in addition?
The Garmin Pilot app does have a brightness control which auto sets to full . I surmise that it is primarily for night use.
Here's the picture I promised. Works great when you don't have a passenger. Its still hard to read because of the amount of light, but I could work with it.
Ralph
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On May 16, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:
Ralph, what mount are you using, in what plane? Also, specifically, where is the mount in the plane?
Thanks, Bill H
On May 16, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ralph Love <ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org> wrote:
Do you have it mounted vertically. I find that's the only way for me to see. Works great that way
Ralph
On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty <billhogarty [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight. I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot App but just can't see it in flight.
list-5577491 [at] logan.com" rel="noopener" type="cite">Here's the
picture I promised. Works great when you don't have a passenger.
Its still hard to read because of the amount of light, but I could
work with it.
Ralph
On May 16, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:
Ralph, what mount are you using, in what
plane? Also, specifically, where is the mount in the plane?
Thanks, Bill H
On May 16, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ralph Love ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org (<>)
wrote:
Do you have it mounted vertically. I
find that's the only way for me to see. Works great that way
Ralph
On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty billhogarty [at] gmail.com (<>)
wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display
more visible in flight. I am trying out the new Garmin
Pilot App but just can't see it in flight.
Here's the picture I promised. Works great when you don't have a passenger. Its still hard to read because of the amount of light, but I could work with it. Ralph
On May 16, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:
Ralph, what mount are you using, in what plane? Also, specifically, where is the mount in the plane?
Thanks, Bill H
On May 16, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ralph Love ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org (<>)
wrote:
Do you have it mounted vertically. I find that's the only way for me to see. Works great that way Ralph
On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty billhogarty [at] gmail.com (<>)
wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight. I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot App but just can't see it in flight.
Here's the picture I promised. Works great when you don't have a passenger. Its still hard to read because of the amount of light, but I could work with it. Ralph
On May 16, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:
Ralph, what mount are you using, in what plane? Also, specifically, where is the mount in the plane?
Thanks, Bill H
On May 16, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ralph Love ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org (<>)
wrote:
Do you have it mounted vertically. I find that's the only way for me to see. Works great that way Ralph
On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty billhogarty [at] gmail.com (<>)
wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight. I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot App but just can't see it in flight.
Here's the picture I promised. Works great when you don't have a passenger. Its still hard to read because of the amount of light, but I could work with it. Ralph
On May 16, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:
Ralph, what mount are you using, in what plane? Also, specifically, where is the mount in the plane?
Thanks, Bill H
On May 16, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ralph Love ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org (<>)
wrote:
Do you have it mounted vertically. I find that's the only way for me to see. Works great that way Ralph
On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty billhogarty [at] gmail.com (<>)
wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight. I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot App but just can't see it in flight.
See, do you see where it says cellular data? Your iPad is not a Wi-Fi only iPad. Is a Wi-Fi plus 3G. You just do not have an active 3G plan. A true hardware version Wi-Fi only iPad does not have the option where it says cellular data in the settings section.
Typing and grammar errors courtesy of Siri and the iPhone.
On Nov 19, 2013, at 15:02, "PC" <pcdavis [at] shasta.com> wrote:
John et al,
Here are three screen shots of my iPad2, (not a mini). I'm a house near Benton Airpark in Redding, CA.
The first shot is of the Settings page on the iPad. No Wifi, No Bluetooth and I assure you nothing is connected to the iPad.
The second and third shots show the blue tracking dot and circle in ForeFlight.
I see the "Cellular Data" menu item on your screen. Only my 3/G iPad lists the cellular menu item, my WIFI only iPad does not. I bet you have a 3/4G model. Does it have a black plastic section across the top of the back side.
Chris
On Tuesday,
November 19, 2013 1:04 PM, PC <pcdavis [at] shasta.com> wrote:
John et al,
Here are three screen shots of my iPad2, (not a mini). I'm a house near Benton Airpark in Redding, CA.
The first shot is of the Settings page on the iPad. No Wifi, No Bluetooth and I assure you nothing is connected to the iPad.
The second and third shots show the blue tracking dot and circle in ForeFlight.
I have been watching this discussion... Just wanted to add this clarification since I believe you (PC) are indicating that you have a WiFi only iPad 2.
In the first screen shot of the system Settings, it shows the item "Cellular Data Off". With all WiFi only iOS devices, that item is hidden. It does not even show up in the list at all if the hardware does not support cellular data. The fact that we see that option says that the screenshot was taken on an iPad that is cellular data capable, but it is turned off. So that particular unit has a GPS receiver.
Here is a way you can make your own definitive check. Go into Settings > General > About. Look at the value for "Model". If your iPad 2 is a 64 GB WiFi only, the model number you will see is one of the following 2 possibilities:
MC916LL/A (64 GB Black) MC981LL/A (64 GB White)
If you iPad is a iPad 2 64GB WiFi + 3G GSM, the model number will be one of the following 2 values.
MC775LL/A (64 GB Black) MC984LL/A (64 GB White)
Another way to check, is do a Google search for the value listed for the your Model.
Don
On Nov 19, 2013, at 3:02 PM, PC <pcdavis [at] shasta.com> wrote:
John et al,
Here are three screen shots of my iPad2, (not a mini). I'm a house near Benton Airpark in Redding, CA.
The first shot is of the Settings page on the iPad. No Wifi, No Bluetooth and I assure you nothing is connected to the iPad.
The second and third shots show the blue tracking dot and circle in ForeFlight.
> Chris, > Black plastic along side with on/off switch. Is that a sign of 3G? > Hard to believe Apple send me more than I
ordered!!! > > Thanks, > PC > > > > ----- Original Message -----From: "Chris Zavatson" Sent:
Wed, November 20, >2013 5:29Subject: [LML] Re: iPad > > PC,I see the "Cellular Data" menu item on your screen. Only my
3/G iPad >lists the cellular menu item, my WIFI only iPad does not. I bet you have a >3/4G model. Does it have a
black plastic section across the top of the back >side.Chris
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