Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 09/22/1998 - 14:54 Forums: LML Archive From: <N295VV [at] aol.com> Subject: Re:Century NSD-1000 HSI Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:54:37 EDT To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> From:295vv [at] aol.com (295 v v @aol.com) I have a Century Flight Systems NSD-1000 HSI (12 volt electric) in my Lancair IV. The first unit I bought failed, if I remember correctly, 5 times in 65 hours. After some very heated conversations, they replaced this unit, and the replacement has now failed after 135 hours. It, of course is now considered to be out of warranty, and the cost to replace the bearings is $450 plus about $50 freight. I am not a happy camper. I have continuously complained that this unit, a 12 volt unit, is producing too much internal heat, with no way to disperse the heat from the closed, unvented can it is in. You can actually burn your fingers when you touch the bezel or the can exterior. This is the first failure of bearings, the other failures having been attributed to masking tape on the armature, several failures of the speed controller, fuse failure, etc. It is not surprising that the heat cooked the lubricant out of the bearings this time. I am putting a thermocouple on the unit to verify exact temperature for future use. I attempted to cool this unit by having a large fan blowing on it all the time--I liken this to trying to pee on a bonfire--too little, too late. Interestingly, Century now says they put a capacitor inline to the speed sensor to lower internal temperature, and this mod will be in my repaired unit. The problem, as I see it, is that the unit was designed for 28 volts initially, and when they modified it for the 12 volt market, they had to up the amps to drive the gyro at the same speeds. Since amps are higher, they put more heat in the can. I hope the capacitor lowers internal temperature a lot. Well, I have to tell you, I have really had it. I would like to hear from other NSD-1000 owners about any experience--good or bad--so that I can prepare my future plans--which obviously do not include spending $500 bucks every hundred or so hours. 6 failures in 200 hours on two units is too much. One of my options is to formally petition the FAA for a review of the performance of this product. For this, I want to know of other people that have had problems with this HSI. One of the failures put me into a 70 degree roll at 250 kts over the Saint Louis airspace when it decoupled erratically and continued to drive the autopilot for a few seconds. We have had heated exchanges over this product, as you might expect. My personal opinion is that the case of the unit should be vented with louvers or a blast tube, and that cooling air needs to be directed into the interior of the unit. When I bring this subject up, it is like talking to a stone wall. Obviously, recertification would have to be done if the design was changed. The president of Century Flight Systems, Bill Eubanks, wrote me the following: "Century Flight Syestems does not have an extended warranty policy at this time...a warranty is a tool to take care of infant mortality of parts or workmanship in a product if needed. I feel that it is serving its purpose in your case." (5th failure, new replacement, 11-6-97). The term, ''infant mortality", becomes rather special after 6 failures. I notice that "infant mortality" because of design was not mentioned. Personally, I expect an $8000 piece of equipment to have a MTBF of more than 34 hours, am I wrong to expect this? CC: Bill [at] centuryflight.com David Jones Pecatonica, Illinois Post a Reply Century NSD-1000 HSI Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 09/23/1998 - 11:24 From: David Buckwalter <Sales [at] AvioniKits.com> Subject: Century NSD-1000 HSI Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:24:33 -0400 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> David, Your experiences with both the NSD-1000 and Century itself are unfortunately not unique. Several years ago I had a customer interested in an NSD-1000, so I called an instrument shop that I do business with to see what they think of it, since I had never installed one before. The shop said they were nothing but trouble, and strongly advised me against ever using one. I ended up selling the customer an NSD-360, which is a very good HSI that has proven to have a long service life. Also, Century has never been accused of being very helpful to the customer after-the-sale. IMHO, the best HSI systems are the King KCS-55A, the Century NSD-360, and the S-Tec ST-180. Both Allied Signal (King) and S-Tec, have great customer support, and a high-quality product. David Buckwalter Avionics Systems <http://www.avionikits.com> reply Post a Reply You must have JavaScript enabled to use this form. Your name Subject Comment * Switch to plain text editorMore information about text formats Text format Filtered HTMLPlain text Filtered HTMLWeb page addresses and e-mail addresses turn into links automatically.Each email address will be obfuscated in a human readable fashion or, if JavaScript is enabled, replaced with a spam resistent clickable link. Email addresses will get the default web form unless specified. If replacement text (a persons name) is required a webform is also required. Separate each part with the "|" pipe symbol. 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Century NSD-1000 HSI Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 09/23/1998 - 11:24 From: David Buckwalter <Sales [at] AvioniKits.com> Subject: Century NSD-1000 HSI Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:24:33 -0400 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> David, Your experiences with both the NSD-1000 and Century itself are unfortunately not unique. Several years ago I had a customer interested in an NSD-1000, so I called an instrument shop that I do business with to see what they think of it, since I had never installed one before. The shop said they were nothing but trouble, and strongly advised me against ever using one. I ended up selling the customer an NSD-360, which is a very good HSI that has proven to have a long service life. Also, Century has never been accused of being very helpful to the customer after-the-sale. IMHO, the best HSI systems are the King KCS-55A, the Century NSD-360, and the S-Tec ST-180. Both Allied Signal (King) and S-Tec, have great customer support, and a high-quality product. David Buckwalter Avionics Systems <http://www.avionikits.com> reply
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