Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 09/25/1998 - 15:59 Forums: LML Archive From: <ReganRanch [at] aol.com> Subject: Batteries and Varistors Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:59:10 EDT To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> In yesterdays episode, Dr. Modulus (played by Scott) asks: << 1.) is it possible to use a 24 volt alternator to charge 2 12 volt batteries in series and then just use 2 12 volt and 1 24 volt buses in the plane? seems like this could give you the best of both worlds. anyone done this? anyone willing to send in the wiring on how it is done?>> Bad idea. All Pb-H2SO4 (lead acid) battery cells are nominally 2 volts. They are combined in series to get higher voltages. Placing two 12 volt batteries is OK to do if they are of the came capacity and type. Tapping off of two would only work if the loads were matched and you could tolerate a "ground" floating at 12 volts on one of the busses (potentially very dangerous. PTP). The problem comes in charging battery cells that have not been evenly discharged. Sooner than you would think, one of the cells will fail. I know this because back in the mid 70s I built an electric car and tapped off 12 volts to run the radio, lights etc. I soon found out that one dead battery meant that all were as good as dead. The tapped batteries soon failed and had to be replaced. Another way to look at is that although you are regulating the voltage to the cell stack, the individual cells form a voltage divider and are unregulated and therefore must be matched to charge evenly. Putting a load across of them upsets the balance. Of course you could put a charge regulator across each battery but by the time you get done with that you bight as well have put a DC-DC converter to run your 12 volt aux buss. <<< 2.) I went up to see Dick Mitchell's 320 in park city. fantastic work(7000+ hours!!) and he had put capacitors on all of his solenoids. he could not remember the size. has anyone else done this, and do you know the size of the capacitor? does it extend the life of the units? >> I don't think they were capacitors. Likely they were varistors (they LOOK like caps). Varistors turn into short circuits above a specified voltage and they are needed because of the flyback voltage from the solenoid coil. YST, when a solenoid is turned off it's magnetic field collapses causing a voltage pulse at the solenoid terminals of several hundred volts. This pulse can acr across the opening switch can cause mischief in the electrical system. TLA Glossary: Pb-H2SO4 = lead acid PDP = pardon the pun TLA = three letter acronym YST = You see, Timmy Regards Brent Post a Reply Batteries and Varistors Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 09/25/1998 - 17:58 From: Marvin Kaye <marvkaye [at] olsusa.com> Subject: Re: Batteries and Varistors Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:58:38 -0400 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Regarding the use of MOV's (metal oxide varistors) to stop the arcing of switch contacts which control solenoid coils, do they get mounted across the coil terminals (as in the sketch Ed provided of alternatively using flyback diodes) or the switch terminals? Which works better (diodes vs MOV) or are they about equal? And how do you size the MOV's... there are all sorts of specifications when I look in the catalogues for them, how do I know which one is right for the task at hand? <Marv> reply Post a Reply You must have JavaScript enabled to use this form. Your name Subject Comment * Switch to plain text editorMore information about text formats Text format Filtered HTMLPlain text Filtered HTMLWeb page addresses and e-mail addresses turn into links automatically.Each email address will be obfuscated in a human readable fashion or, if JavaScript is enabled, replaced with a spam resistent clickable link. Email addresses will get the default web form unless specified. If replacement text (a persons name) is required a webform is also required. Separate each part with the "|" pipe symbol. 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Batteries and Varistors Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 09/25/1998 - 17:58 From: Marvin Kaye <marvkaye [at] olsusa.com> Subject: Re: Batteries and Varistors Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:58:38 -0400 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Regarding the use of MOV's (metal oxide varistors) to stop the arcing of switch contacts which control solenoid coils, do they get mounted across the coil terminals (as in the sketch Ed provided of alternatively using flyback diodes) or the switch terminals? Which works better (diodes vs MOV) or are they about equal? And how do you size the MOV's... there are all sorts of specifications when I look in the catalogues for them, how do I know which one is right for the task at hand? <Marv> reply
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